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No Such Thing As Normal Ep:25 Sensory Overload: What Your Child Is Trying To Tell You.

No Such Thing As Normal Ep:25 Sensory Overload: What Your Child Is Trying To Tell You.

Parenting a child with ADHD, autism, Oppositional Defiant Disorder (ODD), Pervasive Demand Avoidance (PDA) or sensory challenges can feel unpredictable.

One day everything is fine. The next day it isn’t. Food they ate yesterday is suddenly rejected. A fun outing becomes overwhelming. And sometimes it all ends in a meltdown.

Perhaps your child doesn’t have a diagnosis, but it’s clear they’re not coping. And neither are you.

In this episode, Sonia Gray speaks with sensory integration practitioner Elen Nathan about what’s going on in these moments.  And why the answers parents often look for may not be the ones that help most.

This conversation explores a powerful shift in how challenging behaviour is understood. Regardless of a child’s specific diagnosis or neurotype, their nervous system may be trying to tell us something important.

So what actually helps when nothing seems to be working?

Elen says: “It all boils down to a sense of safety.”

In this episode we explore:

  • What to do when your child isn’t coping
  • Why behaviour can change from one day to the next
  • What you can do while waiting for a diagnosis
  • Why meltdowns are often misunderstood
  • The shift in how experts think about behaviour and sensory processing
  • How to deal with the judgement of others

If you’re parenting a child who isn’t coping right now, this conversation may offer some insight.


Unconditional with Jase Williams : Elen Nathan

Unconditional With Jase Williams 

This podcast with Jase Williams explores the complexities of being an educator trying to support neurodivergent students in the classroom, with a trauma informed lens. 

Neuroscience and Trauma Informed Network Aotearoa: Korero with Elen Nathan.

This recording discusses trauma - the impact trauma has on developing sensory systems, how experiencing the world can be traumatic for neurodivergent or non-speaking people, common sensory triggers & behaviours experienced everyday for educators and parents such as biting, and ways to look at that through a broad sensory lens as well as exploring ways to increase sensory safety and wellbeing. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prKvtUJ8hpc

Interoception and Neuroception - From Burnout to Brilliance - Helping Parents Find Balance

This podcast with Tanya explores the 8th and 9th sensory systems a bit deeper, diving into understanding how our body signals and emotional responses are linked.   https://open.spotify.com/episode/1cOJwCQC2QXQZeloxPMrg5?si=55f3d0c614a34643

No Such Thing As Normal with Sonia Gray: Sensory Challenges - when you feel too much.

This 35 minute podcast with Sonia Gray sets out to explain why people with sensory differences respond the way they do in overwhelming situations and to help us understand that these reactions are not choices, they are brain and body driven responses to keep ourselves safe.  https://open.spotify.com/episode/3ydneW4ETrejTY6gnr4Abq?si=5992ab784fbc4c60

April 2024 Podcast: Parenting Neurodivergent Kids Together : The 9 Sensory Systems (part 1)

This 50 minute podcast with Tanya explores the 9 sensory systems and how they might be impact on everyday parenting. We discuss how the simple things like getting dressed can have huge knock on effects for our sensory kids.  https://open.spotify.com/episode/2dglSnDrqpdp278tvYLZ72

April 2024 Podcast: Parenting Neurodivergent Kids Together : The 8 Sensory Systems with Elen Nathan

This 1 hour 20 minute podcast with Tanya  was the second recording. This one is a very succinct explanation of all 8 sensory systems, and what are flags one could look for that might indicate hyper or hypo sensory processing differences.   https://open.spotify.com/episode/3PDpcKMNoU1JOIz773NYmF

May 2024 Podcast: Parenting Neurodivergent Kids Together : Exploring ARFID with Elen Nathan

This episode we unpack ARFID - Avoidant Restrictive Food Intake Disorder, a common eating disorder in Neurodivergence.  When Picky Eating or Selective Eating become concerning.  https://open.spotify.com/episode/4TntjrkSKeNOXkY2PuBoBN

May 2024 Podcast: 1 in 10: The Little Miracles Trust Podcast, with Elen Nathan

Discussing my personal journey with having a premature baby, this one shares the lived experience of going through a medical emergency birth with both my mum hat and my occupational therapist hats on. https://open.spotify.com/episode/2KHcl0BHOC8aw5ea7Z7kUl?si=XvlwsMQcTZKO_A4-5A8vZA

June 2024 Podcast: Play Conversations with Dr Sarah Aiono of Longworth Education.

This podcast discusses our 8 (9) sensory systems and how they impact play and development. 

https://open.spotify.com/episode/6trKvV43KuW65EfABf5Na3?si=zusfParYQHaquDuuhxaaTQ

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